• Welcome to the new B.I.R.D. Forum. Please be sure to read the "New Member / New Registered ? Please Read" thread in the Coffee Shop. This contains some important information. To become a full member ( £5.90 a year ) simply click on your user name near the top on the right I hope you enjoy the new site ................ Jaws ( John )

Tis the season of the rant, so heres another!

Jaws

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So the bastards have, through attacks and abuse, got the play closed down in Brum..

Can you imagine what would happen if the brits in India/Pakistan/whereever, rioted and became violent against the local people if they put on a play that showed a murder or somesuch in a C of E church ?

Where the hell were the police and how have they LET this happen ?

You know, I am not the sort of person to turn on anyone for the faith they take up.. but I am getting there.. slowly but surely I am getting there.
 
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reefer

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yeah i had that on the radio on the way home too
only one way to sort out this country when it comes to voteing :bang:
sad but true until a better option comes along
 

tootyfluti

Head in the Clouds
To be fair John the play was closed by the management of the Rep cos they could not guarantee the saftey of their staff and of the public. The Rep is on Broad St and it was very busy Sat night and will be most nights up to Christmas. While I don`t think its right that the Sikh community have in their opinion won this, I think the best decision was taken.
I had to collect Andy from a gig he was playing at the CBSO centre and had to drive past the Rep, it was like a bomb scare round there and they had to evacuate Symphony Hall as well.
There were more police around the Rep and Broad St than I`ve ever seen policing a local derby( and 1 who did a natty little u-turn on his BMW in rather a small space :bow: ) but I suspect they knew it would make national news so they didn`t go in mob handed.
It is IMO just another case of PC gone mad, esp as the play was written by a Sikh lady (maybe thats where most of the problems start). I also thought what would be the opinion if it had been set in a Catholic or C of E church, but ITV have already done that on The Bill and Frost haven`t they :rolleyes:
Not an easy decision to make and certainly one that speaks volumes about 1 rule for 1 and another for everyone else, but as I said earlier, given that the protesters were planning on doing the same thing every night till the play finished(30 December) probably the wisest.
 

Jaws

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Yes I agree with you completely Sarah.. but you see that is the whole point ..
Mob rule has won out..

I am getting to the point where people who follow the Sikh faith will not be welcome in my house.. and those that know me well will apprecaite how big a backward step that is for me.

Up the road from me we have two large sikh family groups. the elder of the lot walks around with a SWORD on his belt... last summer a fight broke out with some youths.. all of Sikh families.
The elder drew his sword and side slapped a couple of the fighters..

Plod was called.. what was done ? Nothing.. Oh the sword is part of his religion..

Two months later a couple of 14 and 15 year olds were messing around and one hit the other by accident ( he was in tears that he had hurt his friend )... an ambulance was called.. plod turned up as well and the lad ended up with a caution..

Sorry to say this but the plod should not allow this to happen.. And I do not in any way point a digit at the woodentops, it is the brass hats and their PC mates that need shooting.
Get the bastards away from their G and T's and comfy hand shaking cronys and let the boys on the beat do their jobs !
 
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D-nerd

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Rant and rightly so

Would we go to the camel shagging countries and try to impose our way of life.....

No.....

You'd be f***ing shot..........

Live in our land-Abide by our laws....

Enough said............
 

Codbasher

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D-nerd said:
Would we go to the camel shagging countries and try to impose our way of life.....

No.....

You'd be f***ing shot..........

Live in our land-Abide by our laws....

Enough said............

:bow:

My thoughts as well
 
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BlackBirdBaz

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A Quote from the BNP

I for one feel that this following statement taken from the BNP pages is a lot closer to reality than 'within sixty years'. I would halve that personally.


'On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the 'positive discrimination' schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of 'asylum seekers', all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries'.

Anyway I cant show any interest in the BNP at all or might find myself out of a job, so will have to follow the BMF for a while longer yet !!
 
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trophychap

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Murder in the Cathedral. ...

The best known of Eliot's five plays, Murder in the Cathedral is about the killing of Thomas a Beckett in 1170 in Canterbury cathedral. ...

..... as in "Will no-one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

I rest me case ........

Jen

PS Obviously being a Methodist, I haven't organised any demonstrations against Mr Eliot's work, but perhaps some of the rest of you would like to.
There was a Sikh elder on the breakfast news this morning saying it shouldn't be allowed because those sorts of things just don't happen. Thought that was a bit rich - just the other day a bloke was convicted of manslaughtering a chap in a Sikh temple Xmas Eve last year - a drug addict after cash - he hit him with a crowbar and he died later of a heart attack brought on by the stress of the incident. So it wasn't really murder at all. So that's OK then.
 
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Scalesy

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Could spend ages having a rant about that load of utter BNP bollocks but as someone could be fishing I will resist.

Could someone please find the facts to shoot that white minority myth down please.

:bang:
 
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XXLarge

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Jaws said:
Mob rule has won out..


Isn't there a place for the mob if you're demonstrating for your beliefs?

Think back to the poll tax riots.
:dunno:
 
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BlackBirdBaz

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A genocide by stealth, that is the fate that awaits the European peoples of the world.

Within Europe, from Italy to Ireland, from Norway to Germany, the story is the same, low White birth-rate, mass immigration and replacement. Forty years ago we were told that the `tiny minority? of Black and Asian people living within Europe posed no threat to our way of life. Many claimed that it was the tip of the iceberg, the `thin edge of the wedge? and we should avoid mass immigration.

One such man was Enoch Powell, a valiant Britain reflecting the views of his parliamentary constituents He spoke of a nation `heaping up it?s own funeral pyre?, and of the `black man having the upper hand? Rivers of blood speech 1968 For his trouble he spent a lifetime in the political wilderness, yet at the time he commanded popular support.

Dear Enoch ! how right you were!
 
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XXLarge

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BlackBirdBaz said:
A genocide by stealth, that is the fate that awaits the European peoples of the world.

Within Europe, from Italy to Ireland, from Norway to Germany, the story is the same, low White birth-rate, mass immigration and replacement. Forty years ago we were told that the `tiny minority? of Black and Asian people living within Europe posed no threat to our way of life. Many claimed that it was the tip of the iceberg, the `thin edge of the wedge? and we should avoid mass immigration.

One such man was Enoch Powell, a valiant Britain reflecting the views of his parliamentary constituents He spoke of a nation `heaping up it?s own funeral pyre?, and of the `black man having the upper hand? Rivers of blood speech 1968 For his trouble he spent a lifetime in the political wilderness, yet at the time he commanded popular support.

Dear Enoch ! how right you were!

'Kin 'ell do you wear a pointed crash hat?
 
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BlackBirdBaz

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XXLarge said:
'Kin 'ell do you wear a pointed crash hat?
Now would I ride a Blackbird and wear a pointy hat !!

:}
 
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Scalesy

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So do we go for a spot of genocide or more unprotected sex with nice WHITE girls?

:bang:
 
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BlackBirdBaz

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Scalesy said:
So do we go for a spot of genocide or more unprotected sex with nice WHITE girls?

:bang:
Take me to the white girls !!

8l1nd
 
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Wurley

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Race, Religion, Politics & it's associated correctness. These subjects will always cause extremes of attitudes and ferocious arguments, one mans or womans meat is anothers poison.

However, the fact is there is good and bad in all, and it is the very small minorities that seem to be the most vocal, from the muslim extremists to white supremecists. But stoking it all up and adding fuel to the fire are the do gooders, the liberals the race relations.

These people are the ones with the power, you can't speak up for fear of being branded rascist, you can't express concerns about sex education & orientation without being branded homophobic, you can't be proud to be yourself for fear of being branded a zealot.

I have met and spoken to so many different people arabs, chinese african, muslims, gays and straights some with families some without and the one thing all these people have in common is their feeling of being taken for a ride by the spongers who bleed this country dry.

Those who choose to push out baby after baby and rely on benefits to keep them going, and no, it's not just the non-whites doing it, all races are at it. Those who claim asylum, after passing through three quarters of europe to get to this country. Those who come to this country for the free healthcare, aids treatment, cancer and any other care you would want for free!!! Those who want to take but are not prepared to give in return.

So don't be fooled in to thinking that it's just the white who are fed up, all hard working, tax paying individuals are sick to death of being taken for a ride, it's just that we can't do anything about it........ yet!



Wurley :neenaw:
 
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R2B2

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Giving in to pressure by the Sikh community and cancelling that play was a dreadful mistake. What message does that send out to similar such groups..?? As was already mentioned, Brits abroad would never be allowed to get away with shite like that.

Worries about guaranteeing safety for the audience was bollox!! :rant: That could've easily been achieved if they chose to insist it went ahead. Instead, they caved in under pressure, did the PC thing, and consequently will have possibly sparked a new impetus for those in minority groups (religious or otherwise) with a point to make.


THAT could well have been the thin edge of the wedge... somebody better take good notice of the way that panned out!!
 

RHINO

Answering to nobody
A vast majority of RIOTS and out of control demonstrations ARE caused by so called 'ethnic minorities' in this country........
The OLDHAM riots
The Anti War demos in Manchester, led by Muslims.
The anti terror arrests made in Manchester last month were hampered by the 'minority community' assaulting cops.
This 'joke' today, the cops are doing a shitty job for a shitty government who is so wrapped up in 'political correctness' that it cant see the wood for the trees.

I know a man of African descent who was detained by the cops for threatening a neighbour with a pair of knives, the winesses to the incident were called into court and to their amazement the man was conducting his own defence. The defendant turned the line of questioning into his favour and branded the witnesses as RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well fook me blind, the guy DID have the knives (proved), the guy DID lie on his statements (proved) and he played the race card in court under oath to try and rubbish these credible Council employed witnesses.... The case was adjourned 3 times before justice prevailed and he was indeed found guilty..
The courts were right to adjourn the case, however, it just goes to prove how simple it is for all hell to break loose and for the tables to be turned on a witness. In English Law the definition of a racist incident is as follows.

?A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person.? (Recommendation 12)

A little open don't you think,, open to abuse and easily milked.
http://www.newcastle-city-council.gov.uk/spci.nsf/a/ARCHDefinition

This may look like a race rant but it is infact an eye opening excersise to the open definition, a definition which if used can make a prison sentence 2 years longer than otherwise if found guilty.
SO, an assault could get you 5 yrs in the 'big house' yet if it was deemed to be Racist it would be upped to 7yrs :eek:
This OPEN definition is a joke when you compare the definition to prove theft of a Mars bar from ASDA;
1. Basic definition of theft

(1) A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and ?thief? and ?steal? shall be construed accordingly.



(2) It is immaterial whether the appropriation is made with a view to gain, or is made for the thief?s own benefit.



(3) The five following sections of this Act shall have effect as regards the interpretation and operation of this section (and, except as otherwise provided by this Act, shall apply only for purposes of this section).

2. Dishonestly

(1)A person?s appropriation of property belonging to another is not to be regarded as dishonest -

(a) if he appropriates the property in the belief that he has in law the right to deprive the other of it, on behalf of himself or of a third person; or

(b) if he appropriates the property in the belief that he would have the other?s consent if the other knew of the appropriation and the circumstances of it; or

(c) (except where the property came to him as trustee or personal representative) if he appropriates the property in the belief that the person to whom the property belongs cannot be discovered by taking reasonable steps.

(2) A person?s appropriation of property belonging to another may be dishonest notwithstanding that he is willing to pay for the property.

3. Appropriates

(1) Any assumption by a person of the rights of an owner amounts to an appropriation, and this includes, where he has come by the property (innocently or not) without stealing it, any later assumption of a right to it by keeping or dealing with it as owner.

(2) Where property or a right or interest in property is or purports to be transferred for value to a person acting in good faith, no later assumption by him of rights which he believed himself to be acquiring shall, by reason of any defect in the transferor?s title, amount to theft of the property.

4. Property

(1) includes money and all other property, real or personal, including things in action and other intangible property.

(2) A person cannot steal land, or things forming part of land and severed from it by him or by his directions, except in the following cases, that is to say -

(a) when he is a trustee or personal representative, or is authorised by power of attorney, or as liquidator of a company, or otherwise, to sell or dispose of land belonging to another, and he appropriates the land or anything forming part of it by dealing with it in breach of the confidence reposed in him; or

(b) when he is not in possession of the land and appropriates anything forming part of the land by severing it or causing it to be severed, or after it has been severed; or

(c) when, being in possession of the land under a tenancy, he appropriates the whole or part of any fixture or structure let to be used with the land.

For purposes of this subsection ?land? does not include incorporeal hereditaments; ?tenancy? means a tenancy for years or any less period and includes an agreement for such a tenancy, but a person who after the end of a tenancy remains in possession as statutory tenant or otherwise is to be treated as having possession under the tenancy, and ?let? shall be construed accordingly.

(3) A person who picks mushrooms growing wild on any land, or who picks flowers, fruit or foliage from a plant wild on any land, does not (although not in possession of the land) steal what he picks, unless he does it for reward or for sale or other commercial purpose.

For purposes of this subsection ?mushroom? includes any fungus, and ?plant? includes any shrub or tree.

(4) Wild creatures, tamed or untamed, shall be regarded as property; but a person cannot steal a wild creature not tamed nor ordinarily kept in captivity, or the carcase of any such creature, unless either it has been reduced into possession by or on behalf of another person and possession of it has not since been lost or abandoned, or another person is in course of reducing it into possession.

5. Belonging to another

(1) Property shall be regarded as belonging to any person having possession or control of it, or having in it any proprietary right or interest (not being an equitable interest arising only from an agreement to transfer or grant an interest).

(2) Where property is subject to a trust, the persons to whom it belongs shall be regarded as including any person having a right to enforce the trust, and an intention to defeat the trust shall be regarded accordingly as an intention to deprive of the property any person having that right.

(3) Where a person receives property from or on account of another, and is under an obligation to the other to retain and deal with that property or its proceeds in a particular way, the property or proceeds shall be regarded (as against him) as belonging to the other.

(4) Where a person gets property by another?s mistake, and is under an obligation to make restoration (in whole or in part) of the property or its proceeds or of the value thereof, then to the extent of that obligation the property or proceeds shall be regarded (as against him) as belonging to the person entitled to restoration, and an intention not to make restoration shall be regarded accordingly as an intention to deprive that person of the property or proceeds.

(5) Property of a corporation sole shall be regarded as belonging to the corporation notwithstanding a vacancy in the corporation.

6. With the intention of permanently depriving the other of it

(1) A person appropriating property belonging to another without meaning the other permanently to lose the thing itself is nevertheless to be regarded as having the intention of permanently depriving the other of it if his intention is to treat the thing as his own to dispose of regardless of the other?s rights; and a borrowing or lending of it may amount to so treating it if, but only if, the borrowing or lending is for a period and in circumstances making it equivalent to an outright taking or disposal.

(2) Without prejudice to the generality of sub-s (1) above, where a person, having possession or control (lawfully or not) of property belonging to another, parts with the property under a condition as to its return which he may not be able to perform, this (if done for purposes of his own and without the other?s authority) amounts to treating the property as his own to dispose of regardless of the other?s rights.
 
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ianrobbo1

good looking AND modest
Bet it doesn't work the other way round though!! :dunno:
just thought I might mention the "playwright" wot wrote the play in question, is in fact a Sikh woman!! :eek:
 
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