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trophychap
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St George
I don't know what school you went to Ian but I am sure it would have been approved lol, but I feel honor bound as an Englishman to pass this snippet of information onto you. St George was born and died in Coventry. Now unless some fooker has moved it I am sure that it is in England, well it was earlier when I was out for a ride on all those empty roads while the muppets were watching the telly.
I hope that the competition lasts and lasts and lasts and then lasts some more!!!!
I don't know what school you went to Ian but I am sure it would have been approved lol, but I feel honor bound as an Englishman to pass this snippet of information onto you. St George was born and died in Coventry. Now unless some fooker has moved it I am sure that it is in England, well it was earlier when I was out for a ride on all those empty roads while the muppets were watching the telly.
I hope that the competition lasts and lasts and lasts and then lasts some more!!!!
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linzi
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You guys have sort of touched on this, and at the risk of relighting the touchpaper, what are your views on this article I found last week ... I confess to having some sympathy for some of the sentiments expressed .... This article is written by a girl I went to school with ... didnt like her much
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THE cross of St George is everywhere today.
Emblazoned across (the widest of) torsos, in windows, fluttering flags on cars and plastered over shop fronts in a massive display of in-your-face national pride as we back our boys in Portugal in Euro 2004.
National pride. An admirable sentiment but a curious concept in a country so obviously going (gone) to the dogs.
Strange, that ? the deeper the spiral of depravity and under-performance, the louder the "Engerland, Engerland" chanting.
Mindless jingoistic boasting and flag-waving is at its height during any international football competition.
But claims of English supremacy is omnipresent among the too many ignorant bullies who jeer at refugees, asylum seekers and anyone who happens not to be white.
English pride has no scope for compassion, but cruelty and thuggishness are fine.
Ask those waving the flag of St George why they're proud to be English and they struggle.
"We're English and we're best, innit." At what exactly? Certainly not football.
Best at being morally depraved, educationally challenged, self-centred, workshy, bigoted, negatively critical of anything or anyone different, stifling of imagination, aggressive, lazy, angry, ineffective at running any public service, pathetically waiting for someone else to take responsibility? Now you're talking.
Zillionaire singer and songwriter George Michael says he is on the brink of selling up and quitting England because he finds it a "depressing" country.
The instinctive response is to defend our land and shout: "But Britain is great." But it isn't. There is little to boast about ? apart from breathtaking countryside, sites of natural beauty and ? errr? that's about it.
The headlines spell it out. We're a nation of lardy lumps gorging ourselves to death in front of the TV, which serves up and glorifies as entertainment the worst human traits ? bullying, swearing, cheating, depravity. Gordon Ramsey, Big Brother, I'm A Celebrity et al.
The idea of taking responsibility for our own health ? ie moving around more and refraining from chucking fat down our throats ? is regarded as an insult. We want the Government to ban the horrible food industry from poisoning us because we're too stupid to refuse to buy rubbish ourselves.
People are living in daily terror on degenerating estates, suffering humiliation, attacks, vandalism and abuse from neighbours from hell who terrorise entire communities. New anti-social behaviour orders are doing little to stop them.
Who can forget the story of one poor woman in Gorleston who had to sneak into her own home and cook supper by torchlight so teenage yobs who had been terrifying her didn't know she was home?
We're living in the midst of a rage epidemic where losing one's rag is socially acceptable. Self-control is no longer a virtue. Flying off the handle into a violent paddy at the slightest provocation is expected, rarely condemned, and viewed as hilarious.
Losing a car parking space now merits a temper tantrum. Take it a step further and we have the father who stabbed a man to death for accidentally standing on his child's foot.
But people turn a blind eye to crime, drug taking and vandalism.
Everything in Britain takes so long today. A phone call to your bank involves a battery of instructions, button pressing and maddening piped music, travelling any distance by road takes far longer than it should because of our ropey transport system (France, Germany, the USA get it right, why can't we?) and travelling by train costs an arm and a leg.
We're aborting babies developed enough to survive, pump our kids full of additives now proved to cause the barrage of behavioural problems faced in our classrooms every day, have a postal system that takes days to deliver mail (if at all), public services are weighed down by managers and a benefit system which pays out more than recipients could earn at work.
On the streets, people look scruffy, hopeless and miserable.
When Charles Saatchi's modern art collection worth tens of millions of pounds went up in flames Britain's reaction was: "Good riddance to bad art". Britain sblack personed because we are too bigoted to try to understand anything different and inventive. We applaud the obvious watercolours and pretty landscapes as art - anything that needs thought to understand, we ridicule.
We resent talent, achievement and ambition.
Yes, George, our nation is depressing, rotting and, I fear, beyond hope.
Rachel Moore .. Lowestoft Journal May 04
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THE cross of St George is everywhere today.
Emblazoned across (the widest of) torsos, in windows, fluttering flags on cars and plastered over shop fronts in a massive display of in-your-face national pride as we back our boys in Portugal in Euro 2004.
National pride. An admirable sentiment but a curious concept in a country so obviously going (gone) to the dogs.
Strange, that ? the deeper the spiral of depravity and under-performance, the louder the "Engerland, Engerland" chanting.
Mindless jingoistic boasting and flag-waving is at its height during any international football competition.
But claims of English supremacy is omnipresent among the too many ignorant bullies who jeer at refugees, asylum seekers and anyone who happens not to be white.
English pride has no scope for compassion, but cruelty and thuggishness are fine.
Ask those waving the flag of St George why they're proud to be English and they struggle.
"We're English and we're best, innit." At what exactly? Certainly not football.
Best at being morally depraved, educationally challenged, self-centred, workshy, bigoted, negatively critical of anything or anyone different, stifling of imagination, aggressive, lazy, angry, ineffective at running any public service, pathetically waiting for someone else to take responsibility? Now you're talking.
Zillionaire singer and songwriter George Michael says he is on the brink of selling up and quitting England because he finds it a "depressing" country.
The instinctive response is to defend our land and shout: "But Britain is great." But it isn't. There is little to boast about ? apart from breathtaking countryside, sites of natural beauty and ? errr? that's about it.
The headlines spell it out. We're a nation of lardy lumps gorging ourselves to death in front of the TV, which serves up and glorifies as entertainment the worst human traits ? bullying, swearing, cheating, depravity. Gordon Ramsey, Big Brother, I'm A Celebrity et al.
The idea of taking responsibility for our own health ? ie moving around more and refraining from chucking fat down our throats ? is regarded as an insult. We want the Government to ban the horrible food industry from poisoning us because we're too stupid to refuse to buy rubbish ourselves.
People are living in daily terror on degenerating estates, suffering humiliation, attacks, vandalism and abuse from neighbours from hell who terrorise entire communities. New anti-social behaviour orders are doing little to stop them.
Who can forget the story of one poor woman in Gorleston who had to sneak into her own home and cook supper by torchlight so teenage yobs who had been terrifying her didn't know she was home?
We're living in the midst of a rage epidemic where losing one's rag is socially acceptable. Self-control is no longer a virtue. Flying off the handle into a violent paddy at the slightest provocation is expected, rarely condemned, and viewed as hilarious.
Losing a car parking space now merits a temper tantrum. Take it a step further and we have the father who stabbed a man to death for accidentally standing on his child's foot.
But people turn a blind eye to crime, drug taking and vandalism.
Everything in Britain takes so long today. A phone call to your bank involves a battery of instructions, button pressing and maddening piped music, travelling any distance by road takes far longer than it should because of our ropey transport system (France, Germany, the USA get it right, why can't we?) and travelling by train costs an arm and a leg.
We're aborting babies developed enough to survive, pump our kids full of additives now proved to cause the barrage of behavioural problems faced in our classrooms every day, have a postal system that takes days to deliver mail (if at all), public services are weighed down by managers and a benefit system which pays out more than recipients could earn at work.
On the streets, people look scruffy, hopeless and miserable.
When Charles Saatchi's modern art collection worth tens of millions of pounds went up in flames Britain's reaction was: "Good riddance to bad art". Britain sblack personed because we are too bigoted to try to understand anything different and inventive. We applaud the obvious watercolours and pretty landscapes as art - anything that needs thought to understand, we ridicule.
We resent talent, achievement and ambition.
Yes, George, our nation is depressing, rotting and, I fear, beyond hope.
Rachel Moore .. Lowestoft Journal May 04
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reefer
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sounds like a lentil muncher to me
coat hat gone R#?
coat hat gone R#?
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Jack
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I would advise her to go back to school and redo history; That is what the flag stands for, Not for how things have turned out I am English and proud of it.
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Jack :-:
The only problem I have with England flags is that most people hanging them on cars have no interest in their nationaility at any other time of the year. I'd quite like a flag painted on my bike somewhere.
Whilst in Cornwall last week, my girlfriend saw a black flag with a white cross and thought it was a comment on race. c7u8
Whilst in Cornwall last week, my girlfriend saw a black flag with a white cross and thought it was a comment on race. c7u8
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linzi
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Heard on the radio this morning that several hundred people went on the rampage last night in several towns and cities across the UK after Englands defeat ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3802125.stm
Doenst make me proud to be English
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3802125.stm
Doenst make me proud to be English
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reefer
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yup there was a little riot in aylesbury last night also at about 10pm
there was a few french supporters that taunted the english ones...big mistake when theres a handfull of french to several thousand english, anyhow the usual shop windows, bricks, bottles etc etc kicked off while the police protected the french supporters
sad really as it is all down to booze at the end of the day
maybe they should shut the pubs when the games are on or just not show them on tv in the pubs that way people would stay at home and watch it and if they want to wreck there own homes then thats fine
i would like to point out at this point i actully hate football..EXCEPT when its a big england match! the rest of the year i never watch football and dont even support a team :t :beer:
having said that the pictures i saw on tv last night of the trouble out there was the french and portugese throwing stuff at the english crowd, but i guess that was biased tv :dunno:
going to be 29 degrees today in london 8ree!
there was a few french supporters that taunted the english ones...big mistake when theres a handfull of french to several thousand english, anyhow the usual shop windows, bricks, bottles etc etc kicked off while the police protected the french supporters
sad really as it is all down to booze at the end of the day
maybe they should shut the pubs when the games are on or just not show them on tv in the pubs that way people would stay at home and watch it and if they want to wreck there own homes then thats fine
i would like to point out at this point i actully hate football..EXCEPT when its a big england match! the rest of the year i never watch football and dont even support a team :t :beer:
having said that the pictures i saw on tv last night of the trouble out there was the french and portugese throwing stuff at the english crowd, but i guess that was biased tv :dunno:
going to be 29 degrees today in london 8ree!
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mikew
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Hear Hear ....
Linz, you may not have liked her, but she does make the point quite well.
All I can add is that this woman has managed to express for me, everything I dislike about living in England, and that's why I now have German residency status, and will be moving there as soon as I can find employment.
I am English, I was proud to be, but not these days.
Am I right in thinking that the question of "who would leave this island" and other such threads have been well subscribed to in the past, all indicating that many 'Bird members would leave given the opportunity. Not all, granted, but many would.
Mike
linzi said:
Linz, you may not have liked her, but she does make the point quite well.
All I can add is that this woman has managed to express for me, everything I dislike about living in England, and that's why I now have German residency status, and will be moving there as soon as I can find employment.
I am English, I was proud to be, but not these days.
Am I right in thinking that the question of "who would leave this island" and other such threads have been well subscribed to in the past, all indicating that many 'Bird members would leave given the opportunity. Not all, granted, but many would.
Mike
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linzi
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mikew said:
I think she disliked me more than I did her Mike.
I should declare that I agree with many more of her comments than I disagree ... I too have a foreign corner, actually a warm corner of France, lined up for me, once life allows it
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skippy
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Jono said:
Or alternativly she could go and live somewhere more advanced to ram home the reality of how far this once proud and mighty nation has slid down the path to becoming a third world banana republic without the good weather $%3un
Disclaimer: this was a party political announcement in the intrest of providing a balanced view
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Codbasher said:The girl does have a point.
The girl has several points but I think she's being deliberately provocative. It simply isn't the case that we experience all this crap all of the time.
Her description of the jingoistic, chanting football supporter is her imagination painting a picture of a stereotypical BNP type thug. This isn't the norm.
Is it the case that we lose respect for our country because George Michael says so? Who the fook does she think he is?
She makes the statement "The headlines spell it out". So that makes it true does it? I bet the sort of headlines she reads makes a pun out of every storyline.
What did it for me is when she stuck up for the poor, misunderstood "modern artist". Nuff said.
There's nowt wrong with a good old whinge, god knows I do it often enough, but to drip about everything ignores all the good stuff that we have here.
So Linze, I don't think I like her much either but before I commit myself, has she got big tits?
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RHINOS_BIG_BROTH
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FROM SPAIN
Living out here for the last 18 years born and bread a mancunian red ha, 1st dont like fotball but living here in spain the attitude towards football is very very high and very very little violence the spiks here call me a hooligan because they think all brits are the same ,BUT the UNION jack flys in my truck 365 days of the year and never any probs and in my local bar all the clients wanted the england squad to win 2nd as for uk being a 3rd world banana country i agree totaly, gone are the days whenyou could say IM FORM ENGLAND AND PROUD OF IT it now seems that africa starts in the penines 3rd anybody wanna buy a union jack ? can send by post fookin loads of um over :beer: here
Living out here for the last 18 years born and bread a mancunian red ha, 1st dont like fotball but living here in spain the attitude towards football is very very high and very very little violence the spiks here call me a hooligan because they think all brits are the same ,BUT the UNION jack flys in my truck 365 days of the year and never any probs and in my local bar all the clients wanted the england squad to win 2nd as for uk being a 3rd world banana country i agree totaly, gone are the days whenyou could say IM FORM ENGLAND AND PROUD OF IT it now seems that africa starts in the penines 3rd anybody wanna buy a union jack ? can send by post fookin loads of um over :beer: here
PsychoBikerBen
Psychotic Artworker. RIP
gypsy said:
It ain't racist.
Have 'em on ya car?
Your 'Chav' mate!
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skippy
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ianrobbo1 said:whatever school I went to m8, taught me that "st George" was born in palestine and NEVER set foot in England, :f
you'll be telling us next he worked at british leyland building buses,LOL
check out Wolfies "three lions thread" man8um
I seem to remember that lesson at school myself
Past our use by date I reckon M8 :cry: :cry:
martin
Rockin on planet Martin
Proud to be british???????
I am proud of the thousands of british men and women that had a little cross channel trip 60 years ago. I dont do flag wavin but I could change my mind for them. They are the people that made this country great. It is a great pity that generations to follow them have bolloxed up the bravery and courage thoses guys had.
So when it comes to being patriotic, I wont be shouting for 11 overpaid prima donas, no my thoughts will be with the brave people 60 years ago.
Rant over, coat on and gone R#?
Martin
I am proud of the thousands of british men and women that had a little cross channel trip 60 years ago. I dont do flag wavin but I could change my mind for them. They are the people that made this country great. It is a great pity that generations to follow them have bolloxed up the bravery and courage thoses guys had.
So when it comes to being patriotic, I wont be shouting for 11 overpaid prima donas, no my thoughts will be with the brave people 60 years ago.
Rant over, coat on and gone R#?
Martin