Ken Bigley RIP

[derek kelly]

Sympathies to the family and friends of Ken Bigley, the terror that poor man must have suffered at the hands of those evil bastards, at least he is no longer suffering, just remains to be seen what the knock on effect will be.

 

[Watchdog]

I agree......

Seems to me they kept him alive as long as they were getting publicity (and it worked)

Probably only one outcome all along.

Well said DK

 

[Stevebrooke]

With you on this one Ned.

These people are evil beyond belief and you can only wonder about their state of mind.

 

[D.S.]

Whilst I have every sympathy with his family and wouldn't wish this horror upon anyone, let's not forget that he knew the risks when he took the job, and he took the job because of the money.
I was gonna take a job in Saudi a few years back (no conflict going on either!), but upon being appraised of the risks, I decided that the money wasn't that important.
I just hope there aren't more to follow and presume quite a few ex-pats will be returning sharpish like.

 

[Nick Brett]

What you say is true Joe. The old " It wont happen to me syndrome". Sure enough he went for the money. But his family have gone through hell over the last two weeks. Everyone knows how they kill people. Its barbaric and to know you are facing that fate must be the most frightening thing.

My sympathys to the family.

 

[derek kelly]

Of course he must have known the risks, but at the end of the day he was doing his bit to try and help rebuild Iraq, It shouldn't matter whether he was doing it for the money or out of a sense of responsibility, The Government were right not to give in to demands, but they need to come up with a way of deterring terrorists, I have heard it suggested that for every briton murdered by these fanatics we should do the same to one of theirs, interesting thought, I wonder what would have happened if in retaliation we or the americans had paraded those two scientists and threatened to behead them.

 

[Nick Brett]

Who is to be the one to cut their heads off with knife Derek. Could you live with that. Two wrongs dont make a right. We are meant to be the civilised ones here.

 

[derek kelly]

I never said that I agreed with it, it was actually my daughter and my wife who said it, I think it was just an angry first reaction, my point of view is the same as yours we are supposed to be civilised, but will these perpetrators ever get the message that we do not negotiate with terrorists?

 

[Codbasher]

For us to say never negotiate with terrorists is easy.

For Kens family all they wanted was negotiations, and him released, its a difficult situation.

I wish there was an easy answer.

 

[fluff]

Tonight a family is without a son, a brother, a husband and a father, words cannot express my sadness and anger and my thoughts are with them all.


I cannot begin to imagine what ken went through in his last moments, it makes you sit up and realise how much we should be thankfull for, being able to hold our loved ones each day and tell them how much we love them.

rest in peace ken.

 

[derek kelly]

For us to say never negotiate with terrorists is easy.

For Kens family all they wanted was negotiations, and him released, its a difficult situation.

I wish there was an easy answer.

I am a trained negotiator, I have been trained in this capacity for three years, in that three years I have been involved in two incidents, one of them involving a female prison officer, physically she was unharmed but I don't think she has got over it mentally, and to be honest I don't think she ever will, you are right when you say "it is easy for us to say never negotiate with terrorists" but give in to them just once then the problem will just escalate, in all future hostage incidents, the perpetrators will be able to use that one time as a yardstick, give in to them just once and you have lost every incident from then on.

Personally I don't believe that they had any intention of releasing Ken Bigley alive, I think they were just getting some morbid kick out of wielding power, if they feel that they are justified in what they do and have the backing of Allah why do they cover their faces?

 

[Codbasher]

Tis true Derek, thats why I believe it was right to a certain extent to storm that school in Russia, but it would have been far better if our own SAS boys had done it, rather than the shambles it turned out to be, as tragic as it is we must never give in.

 

[Fat Bert]

Dreadful News~~

I too am a trained negotiater [different field though]

Successful negotiation is about "Win;Win"

In this case there was never going to be a "Win;Win" situation so whilst unsavoury people had little choice

Poor family - poor sod

RIP

 

[RHINO]

EVIL

EVIL beyond comprehension, these people MUST be made an example of.

 

[HeavensFire]

Sad but True!

This may offend some people, but from experience, if you don't want to be shot, don't put yourself in front of a loaded gun!
I DO NOT condon what has happened and do feel for the family of Ken Bigley. He chose to go and work in Iraq, the dangers of being there are on the news every night!
We all ride bikes and know that some twat in a cage could end your life, our choice!
You have to weigh up the risks, against the rewards!
Terrorists are the scum of the earth, I've lost 5 friends through Wars and Conflicts!

 

[Mid Life Crisis]

A tragic but predictable end to Ken's life at the hands of his captors.
Terrorism is a growth industry and there is no answer to stopping it....is there?

Thoughts and sympathy to the Bigley family :bow:

 

[derek kelly]

Terrorism is a growth industry and there is no answer to stopping it....is there?



I am afraid you are right, even if we were to bring back the death penalty for the perpetrators of these crimes, they would regard that as some sick psychological victory, and for every one that was caught and executed there would be another one willing to take his place.

 

[D.S.]

This may offend some people, but from experience, if you don't want to be shot, don't put yourself in front of a loaded gun!
I DO NOT condon what has happened and do feel for the family of Ken Bigley. He chose to go and work in Iraq, the dangers of being there are on the news every night!
We all ride bikes and know that some twat in a cage could end your life, our choice!
You have to weigh up the risks, against the rewards!
QUOTE]

Totaly agree mate. Anyone who rides a bike appreciates it's not a question of "IF" more like "WHEN" & how hard. The same applies if you place yourself in a country like Iraq. I'd love to go to Petra next year, but I'm fooked if I'm gonna go in the current climate :t

 

[skippy]

When we start to run our lives to the tune of these animals we are handing them victory on a plate.

 

[Supabird1100]

Tragic.

But I think we all knew that Ken was never coming home. Sympathy goes out to his family and friends.....rest peacefully now and sleep well, Ken.