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Bird vs K1200S - ride report

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Tropical Bird

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Greetings from down under.

I recently posted the following K1200S ride report on the Aussie BB board:




K1200S ride report


Well, after some weather-induced delays, I finally got to ride the K1200S yesterday.


The ride lasted for about 25 mins, through urban traffic and some 80 km/hr sections with good sweepers.

The bike I rode was brand new, with only 20 kilometers on the clock. It was fitted with ABS and the electronically adjustable suspension.

I have done a fair amount of research on the S, including trawling through the K1200S discussion forum at length to identify owners concerns.

Accordingly, I paid particular attention to the following areas during the ride:

FI mapping (surging, etc)
Drive line lash
Rear brake effectiveness
Clutch action
Gearbox action

Comparisons are made against my 11 month old Blackbird, which I have owned since new.


Ergonomics

BMW have got the seat-bars-peg combination right. The bars are higher and flatter than a Blackbird. The reach to the bars feels about the same. The pegs feel slightly higher, and the seat is lower ? you tend to sit into the bike, rather than on top of it like the Bird. However, the riding position does push your nether regions into the tank.

I felt that the front lip of the seat could be slightly higher.

Although the S and the Bird are very similar in weight, the C of G is noticeably lower on the S ? the bike feels easier to move around at very slow speed.

The mirrors were excellent, with a surprisingly wide field of view out beyond your elbows. Better than the Bird.

Engine

As noted previously, the bike was brand new, so the engine was quite tight.

Performance was good ? it would be at least on par with the Bird after some more miles.

The FI mapping was spot on. There was no surging on steady throttle openings, nor any tendency to hold RPM on a trailing throttle, as has been reported by some owners.

I presume the bike I rode has the latest FI map, which is reported to resolve all previous FI problems.

The intake noise is quite pronounced. When combined with the wail from the surprisingly loud can, it makes accelerating the S a visceral experience.

The Bird is much more business like and refined under acceleration. Whether this is a good thing or not really depends on personal preference.

I do like the wail from the K1200S can, though?.
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Transmission

The transmission required a firm action, and was a little clunky compared to the Bird, but it was not as bad as reported by some owners. Neutral was slightly difficult to find, but this was probably related to the newness of the bike more than anything.

The gear lever was too low ? I had to consciously hook my boot under it. A matter of adjustment, I assume.

There was some driveline lash, but this was not particularly obtrusive for a shaftie..

Clutch action was slightly heavier than the Bird.
 
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Tropical Bird

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Brakes


Owners are spot on ? the back brake is bloody useless!

You need to push the lever very hard to get any stopping power. Owners report that back brake effectiveness improves after some harsh use over the first 1000 km?presumably the pads require bedding in.
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The Bird back brake worked perfectly from new?.
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The front brakes were quite good, although I did find the servo assist a bit harsh at very slow speeds.

Taken as a package (i.e. when you pull and push on both levers simultaneously), the brakes work well ? they certainly pull the bike up effectively from high speed.


Handling

I have to say that the front end felt vague below about 20 km/hr. The steering tended to wander about as well. I assume that this is a characteristic of the BMW Hossack-type front end

However, once you accelerate to normal speeds, the front end felt very planted and stable ? more so than the Bird.

I had a bit of a fiddle with the electronic suspension ? with the bike on the Comfort setting, bumps are soaked up well. In Sport mode, the suspension firms up noticeably.

Unfortunately, I didn?t have a chance to push things too much, but I certainly came away impressed with the handling (above 20 km/hr).


Ride comfort

As mentioned previously, the ergos of the S certainly suit an average sized rider (5? 10? in the old money). Apart from the seat pushing you into the tank (which I?m sure could be easily fixed), the bar/peg/seat relationship is just about perfect for the bike?s intended purpose ? high speed scratching.

The S ergos are more relaxed than the Bird ? mainly due to the higher and flatter bars and the lower seat height. This translates to easier riding around town.

The screen does a good job of breaking up the airflow. Wind blast/noise is lower than the Bird.

The instruments are clear and easy to read. I like the trip meter reset on the left hand bar.

The auto cancel feature on the indicators made the ^&%$^ BMW switchgear almost bearable?but why oh-bloody-why is the manual indicator cancel button on the throttle side???


Would I buy one?

The K1200S is certainly an interesting bike. Is it an improvement over the Bird?

A $10000 improvement?

Apart from the lousy back brake, the front end vagueness at very slow speeds and the family-jewel squashing seat, I found little to fault with the bike.

Although the level of BMW quirkiness is much lower than an R bike, it is still present.

The engine is a beauty, although the meat of the power band lies more towards the upper end of the rev range than the Bird ? you need to rev the S to make it go. The scream from the can and the intake roar are certainly intoxicating. The front end feels very planted once you get going.

The riding position is aggressive, yet comfortable (seat issues notwithstanding). The low C of G makes low speed work (relatively) easy for a 250 kg bike.

However, the high price (close to $25K on the road for the bike I rode) makes one pause and consider the alternatives, like the Busa, the Bird and the ZX.

If the K1200S was 5 grand cheaper, I would buy one tomorrow.

$25K is a hell of a lot of money?.is the S $10K better than the Bird/Busa?.?
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Of course, purchasing motorcycles is a purely subjective undertaking, and one could always adopt the oft quoted maxim that you are a long time dead, so enjoy life to the full while you can?..



I do like the Yellow one.....

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Wolfie

Is a lunp
$25K is a hell of a lot of money?.is the S $10K better than the Bird/Busa?.?


in short no it aint.

Apart from the lousy back brake, the front end vagueness at very slow speeds and the family-jewel squashing seat, I found little to fault with the bike.

found out in a 25 minute ride, what would a 3 hrs bring up???
 
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Centennial Man

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Having ridden a K1200S earlier in the year (before I got my 'Bird) I pretty much came to the same conclusion, although the bike I rode definitely surged when you shut the throttle. I think the the handling is better than a 'bird I thought but it isn't so good that it's worth the extra money. I suspect the vague slow speed handling is due to the steering damper, which would take a bit of getting used to......As for the switches c7u8
 

blumeeni

Registered User
I had one out for a full day it was one of the first demo's to come into the uk
at the time I still had my 45000m 97 carbed bird
I can only think of one word to describe the bike I rode






























































































SHIT
yes It did handle better than the bird but it had metz sport bike tyres fitted
I'm running pilot powers on my current bird and I don't think there's that much in it however I do have Ohlins rear shock and fork springs 6mm rid height spacer and the yokes dropped by 10mm
nice to know bm have sorted the fuelling it was a big problem with the one I had going into a corner and dropping down a few gears the fooker had no engine braking for 2 seconds nasty
also the finish on the plastics looked very cheap
the powder coated frame could have been finished better
I sound as if I'm anti bm but I'm not my other rides a 1150gs 2002 which has done 24000m and no complaints it gets screwed everywhere when I'm out with my m8s on they're birds and sports bikes but she loves it
most of the time the tacho needles hovering around the red line
I dunno what it is with the new generation of beemers but they don't feel as rugged
the 1200gs is very plastic and has a cheap feel the 1200s felt the same
and why oh why cant they design a good looking sports bike ffs how hard can it be
 

RHINO

Answering to nobody
I had one on test too when i was looking for a new bike.

I'd rather knock rusty nails through my manhood than part with my hard earned on a K1200S :m
 

Fat Bert

Registered User
Blimey

RHINO said:
I had one on test too when i was looking for a new bike.

I'd rather knock rusty nails through my manhood than part with my hard earned on a K1200S :m


There's an offer not to be missed!!

EMMA.................????
 
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CAD

Guest
I'd

rather shove wasps up me arse than buy a beemer (car or bike).
 
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