Another good gatso get off method !

[Jaws]

I was asked the other day if it is right that we should publish methods of defeating speeding tickets..

I thought about it for a few microseconds before answering yes..

As long as the powers that be wanna play games with facts and figures, want to lie about speed related info and want to use Gatso's and the like instead of police officers who can detect the difference between a drunk doing 68 and a sober man doing 79 ( for instance ), then yes, it is right and proper !!

Just posted a link to a letter you might like to make use of should you get a NIP..

Letter requesting proof re GATSO NIP

 

[parttimepilot]

Thanks John but it appears to be for sponsers eyes only......

Or is that a wee festive dig to us "non payers" to dig a tenner out for the cause? :blush:

Ok OK Ill pay......


Merry Christmas

 

[Jaws]

Ahh... sorry mate,,, did not even THINK about that .. just stuck it in the download area and never considered anything else..

Right click here and select save target as

 

[exhornet900]

Just wondering, having read your drafted letter.....isn't it 3 points & fine now for for failing to supply name and address of driver?

 

[dhekalia]

Wasn't it that you are obliged by law to give details of the driver, but you are not obliged to sign the letter confirming they are correct, and as such it becomes an unsigned statement and inadmissable as evidence, or have they closed that loop hole?

Dhek'

 

[cianocarroll125]

I dont think you can now get away without signing the form, but as for not providing details, well, my boss got a NIP and simply forgot about it (so he says) anyway, a reminder came through, still didnt fill it in, 6 months later, hasnt heard anything else.

However, if you, as has been suggested, request that they provide the "proof" of said offence. If it is not clear who the driver/rider is, then just say "I would like to tell you who it is, but I cant" and they cannot prove "beyond all reasonable doubt" that it was you. It depends if you have the nerve to stand up to them or not.

One thing is for sure, if I ever get one (been very lucky so far!) I'll fight it all the way, guilty or otherwise!

Just dont dont dont sign the form and put your hands up. If someone came up to you in the street and demanded a ?60 fine without providing any evidence of your "crime", would you pay up then???

 

[Jaws]

That letter was not drafted by me but by one of the teams of solicitors you see around shows nowadays that are bike rider oriented..
As far as I am concerned I am happy to trust what they do as they do it every day of their lives ( unlike all us barrack room laywers on here )

 

[NoBBy]

Just wondering, having read your drafted letter.....isn't it 3 points & fine now for for failing to supply name and address of driver?

The point of the letter is that you cant be sure who was riding at the time and you would like plods help in finding which one of your 10 mates was riding the bike.

 

[ericonblackbird]

(2) Where the driver of a vehicle is alleged to be guilty of an offence to which this section applies?

(a) the person keeping the vehicle shall give such information as to the identity of the driver as he may be required to give by or on behalf of a chief officer of police, and

(b) any other person shall if required as stated above give any information which it is in his power to give and may lead to identification of the driver.

In this subsection references to the driver of a vehicle include references to the person riding a cycle.

(3) A person who fails to comply with the requirement of subsection (2)(a) above is guilty of an offence unless he shows to the satisfaction of the court that he did not know and could not with reasonable diligence have ascertained who the driver of the vehicle or, as the case may be, the rider of the cycle was.

(4) A person who fails to comply with the requirement of subsection (2)(b) above is guilty of an offence.

This quote is taken from the Road Traffic Act 1988 and is what the letter is trying to get around. The 'unsure of driver/rider' defence is the only one that is actually written in law and has been used by such notables as Christine and Neil Hamilton. It is dangerous grounds to tread on unless you really don't know who was driving/riding - there have been two cases (that I know of )where charges of perverting the course of justice have been used... and that is serious!
What the letter does however is 'waste' time.........papers have to be laid (at the Court) within 6 months of the alleged offence otherwise any charge times out (section 172 offences 6 months + 28 days) Some partnerships (inc Wiltshire, Northamptonshire and Humberside) will lay the papers a couple of days before the 6 months are up - speculation only but they can then take their time.

Section 172 - just don't return the form (or not sign) is currently 3 points but fines are considerably higher ?200-400. This is due to be changed next year to 6 points.

unlike all us barrack room laywers on here

Whoops sorry John

 

[Jaws]

Ah but I would not put YOU in that catagory ! Only myself